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  • Hi, before I revert your edit. Can you explain to me, what was the need of creating a new footer that features all kodansha magazine (which also looses some identity as lack of specific magazine logo/mascot)?

    Also was there a discussion happening somewhere that the interwiki templates need to be collected into one?

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    • I have to say that I'm baffled by this answer. I'm being told that "each wikis is free to choose whatever to add it or not", but I'm also repeatedly told that I can't make this template because there are other individual magazine footers I must use instead, when I've explained multiple times that we want to promote wikis from the other Kodansha magazines too; and strangely I'm even being called "selfish" for wanting to do that.

      I'm sorry but I didn't see any guidelines regulating what I can and can't do with footers, and I don't find any problem with wanting to make a unified footer for the editorial when it's perfectly feasible and provides a benefit over separate ones (its documentation includes test cases where it can be seen in action—I reiterate it's still in development). The current BSM footer is not what we're looking for, and I think we're in our right to make a different version if we wish and share it with others that may potentially like it as well, and I don't see why this would be a motive for such a harsh negative reaction.

      The reason I wasn't planning to contact all wikis is because they're so many and I'm unfortunately already investing a lot of my free time in making this template, so I was hoping it would be enough with contacting some major communities so that word would then spread from them. It's not that this would cause any issues, and right now the current set isn't used by all wikis either, so I find this response out of place.

      Unless there's a rule that forbids me from continuing with this project, I'm going to complete it and put it at disposal of the community once it's ready if you don't mind, and I'm sorry that your wiki isn't joining us.

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    • Yes, each wiki is free to choose whatever they want to add footer or not. There are already established footers for the magazines. That's what I was telling you, no point in another one. You are totally free to promote whatever wikis you want, but the "selfish" part is that you are driven by not to help the wikis, but to make something that you like and you would put, because you decided to break affiliations. Without even carrying how the change affect other wikis. That is selfish. You are free (again) to add whatever links or whatever you want to your wiki, but you are selfishly driven by the thought that your wiki is doing something and to find a way to fix it, you would affect other communities. Like: lets not fit with everyone, but make everyone fit with us.

      You can do whatever you want with footers. You can make whatever footer you want. But design changes should be discussed, not only with a small group of 1 community. I feel you still fail to understand that by creating this new footer, you essentially try to replace all kodansha footers. Which is a change that affects more than BSM wikis and it's a major change.

      I already told you, you can do custom design as you wish and use it as you wish. But it feels you still act if your footer aren't trying to replace the rest of the footers. "current BSM footer is not what we're looking for" - again that's your own fault and decision. And again selfish reason you try to redesign all of the footers, which is again change that affects more than your wiki. Hopefully you finally understood what I meant for selfish. You aren't driven by "hey, lets make this better", but "hey lets make this fit us". Get it?

      No, you are free to complete it, and you can put it on your wiki. But when you start to push it into communities, you need their permission. Some will agree, and some may not, and that creates a split, so now people will have to update 2 footers for 1 magazine. "It's not that this would cause any issues" it creates a split... It's like having 2 big AoT wikis competing with each other, people will wonder which to use/join and both have to be updated. And by the looks, you have zero desire to update your footer in the future. So you create a mess/split, and leave people to deal with it. That's one of my negative reactions.

      It doesn't really matter if my wiki is joining it or not. It's an undeveloped wiki about dead subject. But with you new footer, you are affecting other big wikis I'm on, and that's "not what we're looking for".

      Anyway, it still feels you won't understand my point, so no point for me to continue discussing this. Feel free to reply, but unless I have something new to say, I will stop repeating myself, if you didn't get my point until now, you won't get it even if I said it again.

      On a side note, it seems I made your job easier by giving you all the footers XD At least this discussion led to something good for you :)

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